NCSE's executive director Eugenie C. Scott appeared on Culture Shocks, the talk radio show hosted by Barry Lynn, the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, on November 13, 2006, to discuss the antievolutionism movement. Among the topics discussed were the decision in Kitzmiller v. Dover, and the recent book Not in Our Classrooms: Why Intelligent Design is Wrong for Our Schools, edited by Scott and NCSE's deputy director Glenn Branch. "'Intelligent design' really is just a subset of creation science," Scott commented, adding, "'intelligent design' is a lot sneakier than creation science. At least creation science tells you what they believe, and 'intelligent design' has a lot of handwaving and mostly just focuses on the alleged weaknesses of evolution." The show (#809) is available on-line in MP3 format.